The Cultural and Political Battle: Interview with the 3 Great Voices of Truth and Freedom at CPAC México 2024

On August 24, 2024, Mexico turned the epicenter of the cultural battle with the internet hosting of CPAC Mexico, an occasion that introduced collectively key figures from the political and social arenas. Amid passionate speeches and debates, María Herrera stood out with a memorable interview, the place two nice titans of the cultural wrestle shared their visions and methods for defending conservative values in an more and more polarized world.

The cultural battle in Latin America has been a rising subject of significance, particularly in a context the place left-wing insurance policies have gained floor in a number of nations. In the course of the interview, the members emphasised the necessity for an organized and decided resistance to defend the rules they contemplate elementary: freedom of speech, the protection of life, and the safety of the household because the core of society.

Along with addressing these matters, the interview additionally touched on sensible facets, such because the techniques getting used to counter the affect of the left within the area. This ranges from consciousness campaigns to lively participation in political processes, demonstrating a transparent dedication to the conservative trigger.

Listed below are some key excerpts from the interview:

María Herrera: Good afternoon, we’re again right here at CPAC Mexico, and I’m joined by three nice males who’re main an unimaginable cultural battle around the globe, particularly right here in Mexico, the place they’ve given a number of lectures and are on tour. I’m speaking about Agustín Laje to my proper, in fact, Miklos Lukacs, and Pablo Muñoz Iturrieta. Welcome to all three.

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María Herrera: I heard Agustín within the earlier interviews, speaking in regards to the significance of Robert Kennedy Jr. withdrawing from the presidential race yesterday and endorsing Trump. Agustín, do you suppose this might set a precedent for different candidates, who should not aligned with the proper, to endorse conservative figures? As a result of as Robert Kennedy stated, the actual risk in opposition to kids, in opposition to democracy, and the survival of a nation is at stake.

Agustín Laje: Effectively, what occurs is that Kennedy Jr. is somebody who, regardless of being a Democrat, has already left the celebration and has nothing to do with the American left anymore. He’s somebody who opposes Large Pharma and Large Finance, that are essentially the most highly effective enemies Donald Trump has. He’s additionally in opposition to the Deep State.

So, on the finish of the day, there appear to be a number of factors of convergence for him to finish up endorsing Trump in states the place the stakes are excessive. In different states, for instance, the place the result is already identified, like California, there’ll nonetheless be a Kennedy Jr. poll. Nevertheless, I see the electoral local weather in the US as very unusual. Frankly, it worries me loads, loads, as a result of everybody thought that after the taking pictures incident, the elections had been already received.

I perceive that Trump himself thought this when he selected Vance as his working mate. It appeared like the sport was over. However the actuality is that just some days later, nobody even remembers the taking pictures, nor that Kamala Harris is the present vp.

And there’s a form of Orwellian second in the US proper now, the place we’ve seen Harris, with out saying a phrase or giving a single interview, rise within the polls and, in some instances, surpass Trump. So, what simply occurred with Kennedy Jr. is essential, but it surely’s not the ultimate phrase. There’s nonetheless the talk, and a number of other weeks stay till November. Something may occur in the US.

María Herrera: Miklos, Agustín mentions the ambiance is unusual, and I interviewed you earlier in regards to the protests within the UK. Particularly, what we felt, for instance, at CPAC in Washington DC, is that individuals right here in the US, for the primary time in a few years, are scared once more. 1000’s of individuals have been jailed after the decision for an election audit on January 6. Banks handed over personal client monetary information merely for having a espresso at Starbucks in Washington DC that day. Is that this regular? Do you see this completely aligned with the agenda of persecuting dissidents and any resistance to the progressive, globalist motion in the US?

Miklos Lukacs: What I see is that the agenda is similar; it’s simply shifting at completely different speeds. There are nations the place that is a lot additional alongside.

Canada, for example, is overtly a dystopia. The UK is headed down that path. France is totally Islamized.

 I’m not saying that, demographically, Islam is almost all, however culturally, Islam’s energy is rather more evident than Christianity. Spain can also be heading in that path with its open borders insurance policies, and what occurred within the UK—the place a younger Rwandan teenager of coloration stabbed three kids to loss of life and injured ten others—pushed many Britons over the sting. Individuals who had been silent had been lastly fed up, which resulted in these explosions, these marches in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, and Edinburgh. The large cities of the UK, particularly the combative northwest. And Keir Starmer, who’s overtly fascist, suppressed these protests harshly as a result of there may be two-tier policing, as they name it. Immigrants are handled a technique, and natives one other. The natives are being persecuted. And there’s additionally an Orwellian ambiance, as Agustín talked about.

That is Orwellianism utilized. It’s not idea; now you will be imprisoned for tweeting one thing they don’t like or for a Fb submit. In the meantime, should you rape a toddler, you get a 12 months or two in jail, and should you’re an immigrant, they make it even simpler for you.

So sure, there may be this distinction, and I believe the state of affairs in the US is simply at completely different speeds. In coastal states, each east and west, the state of affairs is already misplaced, however within the coronary heart of the U.S., particularly within the smaller, extra conventional states, there may be nonetheless a powerful conservative power, albeit not a big one.

María Herrera: Pablo, we’ve seen up to now week Elon Musk’s interview with Donald Trump and the way it triggered a response, even a preemptive one, from the European Union. […] You might be somebody who educates mother and father and society typically about their rights and defending freedom of speech. What can we do to encourage, as Agustín says, extra folks to get entangled in politics? Not as a result of they like politics, however as a way to outlive on this world the place the one factor you may have left is your voice—barely, as a result of not even on social media are you able to totally specific your proper to have your nation defended by its nationals.

Pablo Muñoz: Effectively, look, should you’ll permit me, I’ll reply by following the Orwellian line that Agustín and Miklos touched on. I believe Canada is the paradigm these days, at the least in how an Orwellian authorities operates regarding freedom of speech, particularly in relation to your rights to teach and lift your kids primarily based on pure parental rights that precede the state. In Canada, right now, they’re debating a regulation that asks for a reform of the penal code to provide life sentences to individuals who deny, on social media, in feedback or posts, all these new rights associated to gender id and sexual orientation.

So, for instance, should you contradict in a remark, a submit, or a YouTube video the so-called proper to gender id, they’re asking so that you can obtain life imprisonment, greater than for committing homicide. That’s, the worst crime you may commit in Canada is denying gender ideology. So we’ve to know that what is going on in Canada, which is actually dystopian and Orwellian, will ultimately occur in different nations with the identical velocity Miklos talked about. In Mexico, the whole lot is prepared for when Claudia Sheinbaum wins, as she follows the identical ideological line.

In the US, with Kamala Harris, the state of affairs goes to get a lot worse. I believe it’s time for folks to turn into conscious of their political duty as a result of all these politicians got here to energy with folks’s help in some unspecified time in the future. I see an enormous political ignorance amongst many individuals who voted for Trudeau simply because they discovered him good-looking, a handsome man. However after they noticed who Trudeau actually was, it was already too late as a result of Canada has a system the place it’s very onerous to take away a primary minister.

María Herrera: Agustín, the subject of Argentina […] in relation to Spain, contemplating the tensions that emerged from the statements Milley made at VIVA, returning to the problem of defending freedom of expression, how is it attainable that there are these tensions when what’s being executed is just exposing the reality? What did Milley say? Pedro Sánchez’s spouse was being investigated for corruption; we all know in regards to the Pegasus case. So what ought to be Milley’s stance in the direction of Pedro Sánchez’s regime, which is allied with Venezuela and the worst tyrannies on this planet?

Agustín Laje: Look, Milley doesn’t mince his phrases, and in that sense, he’s similar to Donald Trump. When you carefully analyze Milley’s speech, which you referred to from VIVA 24, the reference to Pedro Sánchez and the alleged corruption of his spouse got here when he interrupted his studying—this wasn’t within the ready speech. What does that inform you? It tells you in regards to the energy of the reality. Individuals who love the reality really feel its power driving them to talk it, regardless of the results that comply with. Neither Trump nor Milley are profession politicians; they’re individuals who spent their lives doing different issues and ended up the place they’re merely resulting from destiny. They don’t have the everyday vices of profession politicians—the vices of mendacity.

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Pedro Sánchez and in addition López Obrador, right here in Mexico, intervened throughout the Argentine electoral marketing campaign by publishing posts and movies supporting sure candidates, which is kind of fascinating as a result of each declare to be in opposition to meddling relating to Venezuela. For instance, I not too long ago heard López Obrador say that nobody ought to say there was fraud in Venezuela as a result of that might be meddling. However lower than a 12 months in the past, that man was talking out in opposition to an Argentine presidential candidate throughout his morning press convention. And Pedro Sánchez, who says it’s meddling for Milley to come back to Spain and touch upon our authorities, was commenting on each Argentine candidates throughout their marketing campaign. With Milley, you’ll hear all this stuff; he doesn’t mince phrases. It’s possible you’ll like or dislike him, however he’ll inform you what he thinks, and he’s dedicated to causes that individuals had been initially skeptical about, pondering he would solely run an economicist authorities. In actuality, he’s totally dedicated to combating gender ideology, radical feminism, and the «setentismo» ideology in Argentina, which glorifies terrorists and denigrates the navy. Now, for instance, victims of terrorism maintain public workplaces, the place for the previous 20 years, we’ve solely seen former guerrillas and terrorists in state positions. He’s lifted the morale of the navy, and now no official occasion takes place with out the navy taking part in a distinguished position. We’re seeing many modifications inside a short while, however Milley’s political weak point is evident as a result of he doesn’t have legislative energy on his aspect. He has only a few deputies, even fewer senators, and no governors or mayors. It’s simply him and public opinion, boosted by social media, that at present maintain energy for Milley.

María Herrera: […] Miklos, Trump’s answer for nationwide safety is exactly the militarization of the border. Nevertheless, we see that in Latin America, many of those militarization initiatives to cease organized crime haven’t been efficient. What can we study from this expertise—instances like Colombia and Mexico, the place we are actually? Army deployment is imposed, however the nation doesn’t enhance. What can we are saying about that?

Miklos Lukacs: That’s an fascinating query as a result of, beneath present circumstances, I imagine militarizing the U.S. border is important. However the case of Latin America is completely different. I can point out the expertise in Peru with Sendero Luminoso and Alberto Fujimori’s authorities, which utilized an anti-terrorist coverage that additionally concerned home safety, not terrorism, however crime. Fujimori understood that he couldn’t battle subversion if the navy didn’t construct belief with the inhabitants. You are able to do this within the area; you may militarize, however there’s a deep mistrust of the police, much more than of the navy. This has an financial element as a result of the salaries of those persons are very low, so they’re susceptible to corruption. There’s no belief between residents and their police, a bit of extra with the navy, however belief within the police could be very scarce. The state of affairs in Mexico is alarming. If a police officer stops you, you don’t cease. It’s that straightforward. So, any home safety coverage essentially includes constructing belief, however that takes years.

María Herrera: Pablo, the European Union, led by Josep Borrell as its Excessive Consultant, says it not helps Maduro, however through the years, we’ve seen them help the dictatorship of Díaz-Canel and the Castro regime, by financing and canceling debt via agreements just like the Paris Membership. Why? I requested María Fernanda Cabal, and it makes me suspicious that all of a sudden Boric, Petro, and even Josep Borrell are distancing themselves from Maduro. Is it as a result of the fraud is so clear, or what is going on with the Puebla Group, the São Paulo Discussion board—why are they pulling away?

Pablo Muñoz: Look, the reality is that I’m not Venezuelan, nor am I an skilled on Venezuela, but it surely appears to me that social media has put monumental strain on the problem of Maduro’s authorities’s illegitimacy. It’s apparent that this authorities is illegitimate and that the European Union and all these presidents through the years have been supporting a authorities that has at all times been illegitimate. I believe that’s the central subject in Venezuela—Maduro is de facto only a nominal president with energy in Venezuela, but it surely’s all primarily based on a lie as a result of he doesn’t have the authorized proper to be president. He has really turn into a dictator. When international public opinion turned so centered on Venezuela, it was unimaginable to see on social media. The media was additionally centered on Venezuela, however I can inform you that movies made by Agustín and a few I made bought extra views than CNN. That’s as a result of the evaluation they current is so superficial, so ideologically biased, that individuals have realized it’s a lie. I as soon as had a dwell stream, which has by no means occurred to me earlier than, with 172,000 folks watching—it was the one time. I couldn’t imagine I had 172,000 folks watching dwell; it was unimaginable, far more than what CNN had on the identical subject. CNN had a mean of 40,000 to 50,000 viewers. I don’t have a YouTube channel as massive as others, however Agustín has an enormous one. His channel follows a really real looking and aligned ideological and philosophical line with what we discuss. I’m referring to different YouTube channels that discuss Venezuela, consider Ruzarín or different personalities from Mexico who’ve greater channels than mine however are clowns providing such superficial evaluation that persons are catching on. I imagine that ultimately impacts politicians and even influences their speeches.

María Herrera: The difficulty of nationwide safety, Agustín, and with this, I’ll shut as I don’t wish to take extra of your time—we’ve by no means seen this degree of violence, organized crime overtly roaming the streets of Santiago. Boric talks about making an attempt to repeat the prison public insurance policies of Nayib Bukele, but it surely nonetheless makes me suspicious. I imply, when Boric and Petro come out with these concepts, it doesn’t make a lot sense to me. Effectively, they’re shut pals in any case.

Agustín Laje: Look, with Boric, you must admit the man wasn’t as radical as he may have been—he was fairly a reasonable leftist. And I’d say, relating to the migration subject, there’s an entire subject there as a result of there are completely different waves of migration. It’s possible you’ll obtain a wave of excellent folks, and you then begin getting waves of people that aren’t so good […] So sure, that is going to have a big impact on the area. Our techniques are already fairly fragile for ourselves, not to mention to help tens of millions of people that weren’t accounted for in these social, healthcare, instructional, welfare, and safety techniques.

It’s not simple to obtain a wave, a diaspora just like the Venezuelan one. So, I don’t suppose there can be any international intervention. I imagine the one technique to remedy the Venezuelan subject is by drawing inspiration from what occurred in Bolivia in 2019, when there was fraud, and folks took to the streets and didn’t depart for greater than 20 days. The Armed Forces ultimately stated they wouldn’t repress the folks, and Evo Morales needed to depart. Until there’s an inside fracture inside the Bolivarian Armed Forces, there’s no hope. The large query is how do you create that fracture? And I believe the best way to do it’s with very lively militancy from folks within the streets, eroding the morale of the Armed Forces. In fact, this comes at a excessive value. Why? As a result of no folks have ever received their freedom at no cost.

Let’s begin there. There can be blood, there can be disappeared folks, tortured folks, murdered folks, kidnapped folks. It’s going to occur. The query is, are Venezuelans right now prepared to undergo that ache? If they’re, there’s a path to freedom. In the event that they’re not, there’s a continuation of slavery. That is Hegel’s master-slave dialectic in motion. Why is the slave a slave? As a result of he was afraid to die. Right here, those that worry loss of life, nicely, I’m not making an ethical judgment, I’m making a political evaluation. When you worry loss of life within the face of tyranny, you’re reproducing the psychological precept of despotism, which is worry.

So, should you worry the despot, you empower the despot. Whenever you lose worry of the despot, you danger your life, however you undermine the psychological basis of tyranny, as Montesquieu identified.

María Herrera: There’s a Hispanic vote that must be educated. You recognize my work as an immigration lawyer and educator; it’s not sufficient to have only one particular person. We’d like a group, and we have to encourage future Hispanic leaders within the U.S. in order that we multiply, as Jaime Flores and I had been discussing right now. The capability of Hispanics to keep away from being manipulated is essential. They shouldn’t wish to dwell within the U.S. the identical means they did in Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia—it’s really regarding what we’re seeing. So, thanks very a lot, and hopefully subsequent 12 months, the 4 of us can tour throughout the U.S., educating and particularly inspiring new leaders.