Ukraine needs extra Western weapons for assaults on Russian territory.
Moscow and NATO have so-called pink strains that, if breached, might doubtlessly set off an outright conflict between them.
The battle in Ukraine now includes many international locations as Kyiv makes use of Western weapons in Russian territory.
So are these pink strains shifting? And is there a higher threat of a wider conflict?
Presenter: Folly Bah Thibault
Company:
Dmitry Babich – deputy overseas editor of the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper in Moscow
Peter Zalmayev – govt director of the Eurasia Democracy Initiative in Kyiv
Ben Aris – editor of bne IntelliNews in Berlin